Wednesday, April 06, 2005

BNP leader faces race hate charges

About bloody time. This follows this.

Could make his plans to stand as an MP in West Yorkshire a tad buggered.

Good.

(For more on that particular constituency, see Ilkley Rocks.

8 Comments:

Anonymous robin said...

Nosemonkey,
ARE`nt you a bit worried that a leader of a political party should be arrested now,in election time?.He could have been dealt with before("about bloody time")so it looks fishy,and wiil probably martyr him.
Who`s next?

4/06/2005 08:10:00 pm  
Blogger Nosemonkey said...

Timing could be better, certainly, but he was arrested months ago, so I see nothing to worry about other than the potential for this to boost sympathy turnout from people who, like you, think it looks "fishy". This is about the length of time it normally takes for these sorts of things to come to court.

It would have been better to leave it until after the election, but political concerns shouldn't affect the judiciary - few proper politicians would want the BNP to get the publicity this will inevitably generate, so it would be in the mainstream parties' interest for it to be buried in the post-election slump. There is nothing fishy about it.

As for who's next - hopefully no one, because racial hatred is shit, and it'd be nice if no one stirred it up. Having said that, there could be a case against Michael Howard and co for their anti-gypsy thing, and for Kilroy for his various rants against pretty much everyone who doesn't fit into his mythical ideal.

But when it comes down to it, the BNP are the only truly racist party, so of the politicians they're the only ones likely to be affected. If "politicians" is the right word for Griffin and his stormtroopers...

4/06/2005 09:02:00 pm  
Anonymous robin said...

Nosemonkey,
You destroy your own credibility.
Hopefully no-one?!Would not you feel better if it was definate?
Obvously not,because you then start giving names of other political leaders.What has Michael Howerd said that should get him arrested?What has Kilroy-Silk said?
And for goodness sake why cant BNP people be engaged in debate and their policies shown to be flawed?Is Anne Cryer not up to the task?

4/07/2005 06:44:00 pm  
Blogger Nosemonkey said...

Well, Michael Howard has been reported to the police by the Gypsy Council for stirring up racial hatred, and Kilroy's anti-Arab nonsense is well documented. Kilroy's isn't technically racism, because he was too ignorant to know what an Arab is (he thought Iran was an Arab state).

I'm prepared to give Howard the benefit of the doubt, and say he's probably genuinely just against travellers breaking planning laws and the like, but he must have been aware that his anti-traveller stance could be misinterpreted. Kilroy, likewise, I will give the benefit of the doubt, as the article for which he was sacked was apparently re-edited.

And as the post I linked above under "West Yorkshire" demonstrates, I'll engage BNP supporters in debate if they're prepared to debate reasonably. The only trouble is, they rarely are, as the comments section to that post demonstrates - the BNP supporter in question constantly changed the subject, wilfully misinterpreted relatively clear statements, and kept an utterly closed mind the entire time.

Thankfully, however, the BNP are still far too insignificant to warrant the mainstream parties spending much time on them. I doubt you'll see many high-profile debates between Labour/Tory/Lib Dem candidates and people from Veritas/Respect either - they currently simply aren't worth bothering with.

Quite how I destroy my limited credibility by hoping that racism can come to an end I have no idea. How do you suggest we wipe it out, exactly? Laws like the current one under which Nick Griffin is being charged simply stir up more trouble, and bigotry is impossible to ban.

I'm on the record (again, in that linked post) as being against this current law, and have more on it here. It may well be a bad law, but it is law nonetheless, and Griffin made statements which could be considered to be in breach of it. Therefore it is only right that he should be charged.

4/07/2005 07:50:00 pm  
Anonymous robin said...

Nosemonkey,(cant you choose a shorter nom de plume,try Sapper)
No one should stifle debate because someone might misinterpreted what was said,council or no council of different groups.
Well done trying to engage BNP in debate,tell us about it on your website and others.
Your credibility does not suffer because you wish an end to racism-who doesnt?But because you had actually put 2 leaders of political parties on an arrest desirable list especially at election time.
Bad laws are best ignored and hopefully repealed even if that means disagreeable people are left alone.

4/07/2005 08:41:00 pm  
Blogger Nosemonkey said...

I can think of a few other things best ignored and all...

I didn't "put 2 leaders of political parties on an arrest desirable list", merely pointed out two leaders who could be accused of having broken a particular law. The fact that the Gypsy Council are thinking of pressing charges against Howard smacks of opportunism, but it proves the point, surely?

4/07/2005 09:50:00 pm  
Anonymous Phil Hunt said...

While I agree that Griffin is a nasty little shit, I doubt that prosecuting him will reduce the amount of racism in the UK

4/08/2005 03:13:00 pm  
Anonymous robin said...

Opportunism?!?What point?Please explain.

4/09/2005 07:28:00 pm  

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