Monday, March 28, 2005

More bullshit scare tactics

After Blogging Labour MP Tom Watson (which sparked off an interesting discussion, at least), this time it's Peter "Two Jobs" Hain spouting the guff about how if you vote Lib Dem you'll get the Tories.

As I believe someone said before - "Vote Kennedy, possibly get Howard - but vote Blair, get Blair".

Watch this. Watch this. Try and spot the difference between the two parties. Then remind yourself of some of the other crap. Then at least consider checking out Strategic Voter, Vote 4 Peace, So Now Who Do We Vote For? and Backing Blair.

Hell, judging by what happened in Birmingham last time elections were held, even if you do try and vote for another party Labour will just alter your ballot paper anyway...

Ah, it's great to be living in such a wonderfully free country, isn't it?

10 Comments:

Anonymous robin said...

Nosemoney,
Well we would be in a free country if we were`nt in the EU.
There are other political parties other than the big three.

3/28/2005 05:20:00 pm  
Blogger Nosemonkey said...

Robin - or alternatively, as the proposed constitution would bind us into the Charter of Fundamental Human Rights, closer alliance with the EU would actually help keep this country free.

Oh, I'm going to delete that spam thing as well, by the by - just in case anyone wonders where the first comment's gone.

3/29/2005 09:55:00 am  
Anonymous robin said...

Nosemonkey;
We dont need the Human Rights or the EU.We were free before and the basis should be on our old freedoms such as Magna Carter

3/29/2005 07:41:00 pm  
Blogger Nosemonkey said...

Robin - have a look at the comments section of that post I linked to above. I've covered all this before (even if I didn't manage to convince Ken of the truth).

Magna Carta means nothing. It granted a few rights to a few barons who were in revolt against King John, and set a precedent limiting the power of the crown slightly, that's it (and the limitation of the crown only stayed in effect because John died shortly after it was signed and Henry III was just an infant when he came to the throne).

Seriously - read it. Almost nothing it says is still relevant and, as with every single law ever passed in this country, it simply cannot - as it claims - grant anything "for ever". The only fundamental of the current British system is that no parliament can be bound by anything a previous parliament has done.

Magna Carta's "rights" are a myth perpetrated by the parliamentarians in the 17th century to justify their rebellion against and then execution of Charles II. The myth was revived (along with the myth of the Bill of Rights) by the rebellious colonists during the American War of Independence to justify rising up against George III. It has no basis whatsoever in either fact or English law.

3/29/2005 11:13:00 pm  
Blogger Nosemonkey said...

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3/29/2005 11:23:00 pm  
Blogger Matt said...

Charles I, no?

Magna Carta certainly does have meaning, as an inspiration to an idea of limiting arbritray authority. But the actual charter in itself doesn't guarantee modern political freedoms. How can it? It antedates the entire philosophy of human rights by several centuries.

Actually, I was lucky enough to actually get to see the City of London's copy of Magna Carta last year. I was terrified that with just one sneeze I could wipe out trial by jury. But then there are other, parliamentary, ways to do that.

3/30/2005 12:42:00 pm  
Blogger Nosemonkey said...

Meh - typo... My bad.

Good to see comments are finally working again at any rate. Blogger's been screwed for a while now - and isn't letting me post any new stuff, which is annoying.

3/30/2005 12:51:00 pm  
Blogger Nosemonkey said...

Robin - found it - here's how much of Magna Carta remains in force, as well as information about which acts of parliament repealed which parts of it. Note, however, that it is not entirely up to date, as the Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005 has removed Magna Carta clause 29, guaranteeing the right to a trial. This clause has been suspended in the past as well - notably during the Napoleonic Wars.

3/30/2005 04:30:00 pm  
Anonymous robin said...

Nosemonkey,
I have already read the magna carter and used it,but will read your attachments.Most of it does not apply to modern society,but one thing does--freedom..and it certianly helped that.

BTW what are your views on lorry drivers(Iam one) being fined for clandestines in their vehicles?
This is actually pertinent to article 39 of magna carter.

3/31/2005 08:23:00 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi, im in yr 9, and am doing an assignment on the feudal system and magna carter, etc. i came across your site. i was wondering if you could give me some information as you seem to know a fair bit. I would like to know how much of an influence the magna carter had on the people and their rights after it was signed. but im not sure about the linknig of the feudal system and magna carter. it would be great if you could just post a comment with your thoughts etc. and i will check your site. it would be graet if you could do this. thanks. :D

10/12/2005 12:19:00 am  

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